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Post by alwayssmile877 on May 2, 2007 19:54:53 GMT -5
again, this is just an array of things that i have written about bella.
I think that bella is a good character. Stephenie Meyer used great ways to make her relatable(like being a klutz, or brown hair, or borwn eyes) and not perfect like some authors do. this way people can see themselves 'as' bella, and therefore become more deeply engrossed in the story. As for bellas personality, i thinbk that she is commenly misconstrued through fanfiction etc. because she is always written as shy, whereas if you read the twilight again, you will find that in her own mind and thoughts she is rather sarcastic, semi-outgoing, and quite perceptive (not oblivious). i think in New Moon that it was dreadfully, terribly, heartwrenching, and i cant imagine being so in love with someone that you become so indifferent and remote as she did. But then on the other hand it was slightly shallow, wherein she lost sense of reality in a way that i doubt WOULD happen to anyone, no matter the intensity of love. But anyways, yes i do like her, though her flaws are superficial, of course this is just a fictional book, so i should calm down and return to the insanity which is the attitude that i prefer.
she doesnt get charlie's point, and also she is an adult, i wish she would take chrge of her life more an not leave it up to other people
i think that people are rather naive a lot of the time and think that just because she is the main character that they have to like her best.
although i said all this, bella really is a good character and i know, it may be hard to believe, but i like her. i was just magnifying her faults. -Mel (alwayssmile877) again, feel free to discuss!
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Post by edwardsbella on May 3, 2007 16:00:31 GMT -5
About the whole thing that you think people wouldn't lose sense of reality no matter how great the love. I actuall was like Bella for a few weeks after my ex, Christian who was Jewish, I know funny huh, broke up with me.
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Post by WaruiUsagi on May 4, 2007 3:54:52 GMT -5
Yes. I think you have a point. And as Stephenie pointed out on her website, people react differently even if they're in the same situation. Also, Bella and Edward weren't just boyfriend and girlfriend. They're so much more than that, something much more along the lines of eternally commited. I love reading about that stuff, but I couldn't be a bigger skeptic in rea life. Funny, huh?
This is what I wrote about Bella and her relationship with the other characters on another forum, focusing mainly on Jacob and Edward:
(P.S Feel free to tell me I have too much spare time. Believe me, I know!)
If you really think about what Bella's feeling, in my opinion, I think she's a little confused. She knows that Jacob is her best friend, but then again he's so much more than that. There's no secrets or barriers between them. He makes her feel warm, loved and wanted. He always seems to know what she's thinking; they're very intimately connected. He protects her with every, single ounce of his will - I have no doubt that he would die for her if that's what it took to keep her out of danger altogether. He makes her laugh when she feels like crap. She really does love him, and perhaps in a way, it could be a "girlfriend-boyfriend" kind of love.
But when Bella compares it to a love like Edward, Jacob definately pales in comparison - it's no where near as deep. She loves Edward to the brink of obssession. I don't actually think she is obssessed, but it's pretty boaderline if you ask me. And I don't think Edward is any different. They are both very caught up in one another, and would gladly cut the outside world off completely, (hence why Bella's a tad dimissive of Jake towards the end - she's happily drowning in her world of vampires again.) Bella and Edward have reached a point in their relationship where they are so dependant on each other, that when Edward left, they both fell apart. Their souls are literally, melded in each others which explains why they both (metophorically) died when they were apart - everything that was Bella was taken by Edward in his flight, and she was just left as an empty shell, and vice versa.
As for Bella's guilt, well I think that's completely founded. She knows how Jacob feels, and she knows how important Jacob is to her - she did try and call him a few times, remember? - but I also have to wonder if the fact that Edward disapproves of him isn't the only reason Bella chooses to make her calls to Jacob at night. Jake accuses Edward of brainwashing her and however unconsiously Edward does it, I think Jacob is on the right track. She admits herself to not thinking about Jake as much as she should...about not think about anything, period, when Edward's around. Like I said, they're both very wrapped up in their own little world and tend to violently oppose anyone who might risk interupting it. I have no doubt that Bella really cares for Jacob, but he keeps trying to snatch her out of her fairytale dream. I personally think that Bella's suddenly become very naive and/or immature. I'm not condoning what she did, because I have no doubt that if I was in her situation, I'd probably act the same way. Remember she has no intention of going to college - Edward's supposed to be whisking her away from Forks so she can live with him "happily ever after" for the rest of eternity as a vampire. And I can tell just from Edward's hesitant nature that it really doesn't have that much to do with her soul...or rather, that's not the only problem. There's a lot of things the Cullens aren't telling her. I'm suddenly wondering if being a vampire has some very unpleasant cons...that may, it some cases, weigh out the pros and right now, all Bella can really see is the good side of vampirism. The Cullens are very good at hiding it, but there's definately something else there that they aren't saying and that bothers me.
Anyway, back on topic. In summary, I really do think that Bella should feel guilty about blowing Jacob off like that. She knows that he's unhappy, and I know that she would like to do something about it - unfortunately, the fact that she's grounded makes it hard...and I'm sure that by the beginning of Eclipse, Charlie will have bricked and cemented over her doorway and window...either that, or he'll just give up on her. If you've ever had the latter happen to you, trust me; it's much worse than the former. There's enough guilt to make you want to be sick, let me tell you. And quite frankly, if you were looking in from the outside, it looks like Bella WOULD deserve it.
But Bella won't do anything because of the effect Edward has on her and knowing Edward and his feelings on the subject of Jacob Black, he'll abuse his power over Bella to its full extent, I'm positive. He's not stupid - he knows how Bella reacts around him, especially when he touches her. I don't know if you guys ever got this feeling while reading New Moon, but it was almost as if Jacob had gone from being the main focus and character of the book, to just a marginal tool again like he was in Twilight by the end of the epilogue. Perhaps not so much in the book's context, but certainly in Bella's mind. She used him to find out about Edward in the first book and now she's asking him a favor while she runs off with Alice to save Edward straight after breaking poor Jake's heart. To me it was almost as if Bella was saying: "yes, he's my best friend and he's unhappy, but Edward's here so I can't do anything about it now. I'll work it out later when it suits me."
Sorry, but, that's how I saw it. I'm not knocking Edward and Bella as a couple - really, I love them both, but I just really think that they both need to stop attacking everyone who interferes in their little world because they are really only trying to remind them of reality, and I get the disticnt feeling that niether Edward or Bella want that. Edward's family's trying to send a message that he can't truly be with Bella while she's mortal (duh!) and that Bella does actually need to continue life outside of Edward - i.e. stop disregarding Jacob, Charlie and Renee so much and appreciate thier company as much as possible in the limited time that's left. She will become a vampire - you and I both know it. And right now, she resents all of them a lot - because they're trying to stand inbetween her and Edward. Unfortunately, Bella doesn't seem to have the ability to look at how her family is reacting in hindsight - they're just trying to stop her from becoming a zombie again. They all really care about her.
But hopefully somewhere in that long-winded explanation was what you were looking for, Zinthafan. Bella was confused because she knows she loves Jacob, and perhaps feels a little guilty at not being able to reciprocate his feelings - or perhaps she didn't actually know if the love she felt for him was that of a friend, or that of something more because Jacob really was so much more to her than a best friend. But then she compared what she felt for Jacob to what she did for Edward and there she had her answer - when she was running to stop him from jumping into the sun in Volterra - she would never want anything or anyone but him, and if she couldn't have him, then she'd rather have no one. The question of whether Edward was any safer than Jacob didn't come into the equation at all - Jacob was just as dangerous as Edward. Bella remembered what had happened to Emily.
And that, my friends is why every, single, time, Bella will pick Edward over Jacob. In fact, she already has chosen sides...hasn't she?
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Post by edwardsbella on May 4, 2007 15:49:08 GMT -5
Yes i think she has definately chose her side.
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Post by bellaswan335 on May 6, 2007 14:24:19 GMT -5
Yeah, it really hurt Jacob though, I feel so sorry for him, he truly does love Bella, and she just forgot about him when Edward came back...But for her Edward is the world and a part of her, when he's there its like there is nothing else in the world, they should start paying attention to everyone else, because theyre gonna have eternity together once she changes into a vampire.
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Post by azure on May 9, 2007 8:32:54 GMT -5
i think that the reason why they, edward nd bella, but bella, especially seems to ignore the world when they're together is that for bella, she still doesn't seem able to believe that edward really loves her for real. i think that both of them want to cherish each nd every minute that they have bcoz nthing is permanent. everythng can change in even just 1 night.
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Post by zinthafan on May 16, 2007 22:03:32 GMT -5
Bella's still a wimp though.
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Post by Rosalie Hale on May 17, 2007 0:16:15 GMT -5
a wimp, huh? lol ok... but i look at that the same way Edward would... she hangs out with Vampires because she likes them better then her human friends.... i think that she is a very brave person... i may not agree with the way she toys with Jake but still... alice had a point when she said that bella went for the next monster she could find lol... we are talking about a girl who luvs Vampires and Werewolves... she is not a wimp she is just human... and makes mistakes...
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Post by WaruiUsagi on May 22, 2007 1:33:36 GMT -5
Yes, Azure was on the right track. Even after all of what happened at the end of New Moon, Bella still has no idea how much Edward adores her. I still remember that quote from the first chapter of Eclipse:
“Do you really have any idea how important you are to me? Any concept at all of how much I love you?” He pulled me tighter against his hard chest, tucking my head under his chin. I pressed my lips against his snow-cold neck. “I know how much I love you,” I answered. “You compare one small tree to the entire forest.” I rolled my eyes, but he couldn't see. “Impossible.”
Frankly, I don't blame her. To think that a beautiful creature like Edward was almost obsessed with you would be a hard concpet to grasp...but hardly a displeasing one. Hehe. ;D
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Post by petaldust on May 26, 2007 15:52:45 GMT -5
I know exactly what you mean!
Omg, I loved that quote! "You compare one small tree to the entire forest." So sweet! ;D
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Post by azure on Jun 5, 2007 6:16:22 GMT -5
Yay!! people do understand my train of thought.. ;D and yes, i agree with waruiusagi that's it difficult to believe sum1 who could be so perfect could like sum1 who's quite ordinary.. any one of you for instance was courted by a guy who you thought was so above you, would you believe that he really really loves you and will nvr leave you? of course not and no, don't kid yourself.. you'll always harbor the thought that one day he might like sum1 better and thus leave you whether you admit it or not..
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Post by petaldust on Jun 12, 2007 18:15:37 GMT -5
Yeah, if a vampire (or anyone slightly like Edward) liked me, I'd be quite suspicious! ;D
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Post by Absolution on Jun 20, 2007 20:09:33 GMT -5
I see what you mean about Bella not really believing that Edward loves her, but I think it goes both ways too. Edward has no grasp on how much Bella really loves him, he thinks that she's going to be just like any other human when it comes to love. And I think that's why he's so hesitant about changing her. Maybe he thinks that once she's a vampire too, she won't find him so amazing (haha yeah right!)
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Post by twilightfanatic on Jul 10, 2007 11:35:01 GMT -5
if anyone like edward, or close, liked or even loved me, i would be so shocked id have a heart attack. The first guy who ever came close was a guy named t.j. and i met him while i was camping this weekend with a friend. Actually, he is the first boy to ever have a crush on me or offered me a 4wheller ride!!!!!!!!! EVER!
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Post by vaudevillevamp on Jul 17, 2007 0:14:57 GMT -5
I see what you mean about Bella not really believing that Edward loves her, but I think it goes both ways too. Edward has no grasp on how much Bella really loves him, he thinks that she's going to be just like any other human when it comes to love. Yeah, I don't think Edward really has a grasp on how much Bella loves him...how much she needs him. The "You compare one small tree to the entire forest" quote actually makes me angry (and sad) because it seems like Edward doesn't think Bella really loves him. After reading Twilight and New Moon, I think we all have to agree that that would have to be one REALLY BIG small tree in a fairly small forest to make that comparison work Or maybe we wont all agree. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood and Edward never meant for what he said to be taken like that. Maybe he was just trying to convince Bella how much he truly does love her, since she cant grasp the concept on her own. I just despise...detest...loathe...CAN'T BEAR the idea of Edward deluding himself int thinking that Bella never actually loved him...like she never in fact will love him. It's rather depressing to me. Maybe he's just trying to convince himself that she doesn't actually want to become a vampire and live for eternity because she doesn't really love him enough to trade her soul for him. I dont know... does anybody else understand my messed up train of thought??? But since this is a discussion on Bella, I love her!!! I think she is intelligent, witty, observant (coughvampirescough) and BRAVE. Yes I do think that she is extremely brave. And I think that her being clumsy just makes her that much more loveable.
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